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Afghanistan Is Not Vietnam

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Cheney pressed Bush to test Constitutional limits by using military force on US soil

Muriel Kane
Raw Story
Saturday, July 25, 2009

According to a story in Friday’s New York Times, Vice-President Cheney advocated in 2002 for the Bush administration to send military troops to Buffalo to arrest the so-called Lackawanna Six as enemy combatants.

This would have violated both Fourth Amendment guarantees against search and seizure without probable cause and the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which makes it illegal to use the military for law enforcement.

Despite those prohibitions, Cheney argued that the president did have the power to use the military on US soil, citing an October 23, 2001 Justice Department memorandum co-authored by John Yoo which claimed that presidential power extended to the domestic use of the military as long as it served a national security purpose.

The Lackawanna Six were a group of young Yememi-Americans who had attended an al Qaeda training camp in 2001. They were arrested in September 2002, and President Bush bragged of having broken their “cell” in his January 2003 State of the Union address.

However, an investigation by Salon failed to turn up any evidence that they were actually a “sleeper cell” or that they had been planning any kind of violent attack. Most of them were convicted merely of providing material aid to terrorists.

According to Salon, all six were very ordinary young men who had been led to believe they were traveling to Afghanistan for religious studies. The evidence against them was tenuous — which was one reason Cheney pressed for them to be held as enemy combatants instead of being arrested — and many of their Muslim neighbors told Salon they believed the entire case against them was a scam.

The October 2001 Yoo memorandum was declassified last March, but the accounts given to the Times by anonymous Bush administration officials are the first indication that there was serious consideration of actually using it.

Cheney’s legal advisor David Addington and some Defense Department officials supported Cheney’s position, but several aides to President Bush opposed it, along with then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and FBI Director Robert Mueller. President Bush ultimately turned the plan down and ordered the FBI to make the arrests.

The full registration-restricted Times story can be read here.

 

 

 

 

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Border agent killed responding to possible incursion

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Manhunt launched in border agent’s slaying

Report: One suspect arrested in Mexico after Southern Calif. shooting

 

CHULA VISTA, Calif. - Federal investigators are combing hospitals along the U.S.-Mexico border for at least two suspects who may have been injured in gunfire that killed a Border Patrol agent in Southern California.

Law enforcement agencies were pursuing "a number of leads" in the United States and in Mexico but no one had been arrested or charged with killing Agent Robert Rosas, the FBI said late Friday.

Investigators said they have notified hospitals on both sides of the border to be alert for patients with suspicious or unexplained injuries.

The Los Angeles Times reported that police in Tecate, Mexico, said Friday they had arrested an injured man walking near the crime scene with a Border Patrol-issued weapon shortly after the shooting. The man, Ernesto Parra Valenzuela, 36, was taken to a hospital, according to a news release.

After-hours messages left for the FBI were not immediately returned.

Rosas, 30, was killed Thursday night while responding alone to a suspected border incursion near Campo, a town in rugged, arid terrain in southeastern San Diego County. He was shot in the head and body and was dead when backup agents arrived, said Keith Slotter, special agent in charge of the FBI's San Diego bureau.

Federal officials have expressed concerns that the drug cartel battles plaguing Mexico could spill into the United States with the targeting of U.S. law enforcement officials. Slotter said investigators aren't ruling out the possibility that Rosas was slain by drug smugglers or even human smugglers.

Investigators said blood evidence at the scene indicated at least one suspect and possibly more had serious injuries, perhaps by gunfire.

Investigators don't yet know how many shots were fired, if Rosas fired any shots himself and how many guns were used.

"It's all possible. I can't definitively say X number of people fired or Agent Rosas got off shots or didn't. I mean, it's too early in the investigation to say that with any certainty," Slotter said.

Authorities said at least one other agent in the field heard gunshots after Rosas left to respond to the call and couldn't reach Rosas on his radio afterward.

Father of two
Rosas was the first Border Patrol agent to die in a shooting in more than a decade, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page Inc., which tracks fallen officers using information provided by law enforcement agencies. Another agent, Luis Aguilar, was intentionally run over by a fleeing man driving a drug-laden Hummer in January 2008.

Rosas, a three-year Border Patrol veteran, had a 2-year-old son and an 11-month-old daughter, said Richard Barlow, acting chief patrol agent for the Border Patrol's San Diego sector.

"My thoughts and condolences are with Agent Rosas' family and his fellow agents at this difficult time," said Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said in a statement. "His death is a vivid reminder that we are engaged in a serious effort to secure our border and that thousands of Border Patrol agents and other DHS employees risk their lives every single day to protect and defend our nation."

Barlow said he could not confirm reports that Rosas called for backup and then went ahead before anyone arrived. But he said it isn't unusual for agents to work alone along the 60 miles of border in the San Diego sector.

"It is a common occurrence for our agents to start tracking individuals or start pursuing individuals that make an incursion into the United State by himself prior to backup arriving," he said.

'Concern'
The San Diego sector of the Border Patrol has seen a 22 percent decrease in border apprehensions this year after a 7 percent increase in each of the previous two years. Barlow said agents routinely have rocks thrown at them and are physically assaulted.

The president of the union representing 17,000 Border Patrol agents declined to discuss the details of the shooting but said his organization has long been concerned about staffing levels and situations where agents work alone in the field.

T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, said it was "fairly common for our agents throughout San Diego County and the rest of the country to work without a partner. They each have separate vehicles, and it's a matter of concern with us."

Since 1919, 108 Border Patrol agents have died on duty, according to The Officer Down Memorial Page Inc. Gunfire was the leading cause with 30 deaths, followed by automobile accidents and aircraft accidents.

The FBI is offering a $100,000 reward for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of a suspect or suspects.

NTM Staff Note: The following report from 'National Terror Alert' is more precise than what mainstream media is wanting to report. Bringing attention to violence on both sides of the southwest border is counter-productive for the Obama Adminsitration and the corrupt Mexican government......

Homeland Security Arrests 3 In Killing of US Border Patrol Agent

July 24, 2009 by national 

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Three people were arrested at a hospital in San Jose Friday in connection with the killing of a Border Patrol agent in San Diego County Thursday night.

Agents with the Department of Homeland Security surrounded the hospital and arrested two men and one woman.At least one suspect wanted for the murder of U.S. Border Patrol agent Robert Rosas was reportedly injured during the attack and may seek medical attention on either side of the U.S.-Mexico border, authorities said Friday.

Some news reports indicated two men and one woman were taken into custody, Bay Area law enforcement sources confirmed only one person was arrested at the hospital Friday by agents from U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, a division of the Department of Homeland Security. FBI agents provided backup. The suspect was released from the hospital and was in custody Friday night.

Authorities said they traced the cell phone of one of the people arrested.Investigators checked hospitals and medical facilities in hopes of finding whoever shot and killed the 30 year old agent.Rosas spotted a suspicious group in a remote area near Campo near the Mexican border Thursday night and called for backup, according to Border Patrol spokesman Daryl Reed. When the suspicious group split up, Rosas went after some suspects by himself. Other agents lost radio contact with him.

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Original Story -Border Patrol Agent Shot, Killed Near San Diego

UPDATE: Man Arrested In Tecate Mexico Carrying Border Patrol Issued Weapon

Police in Tecate, Mexico, announced late Friday that they had arrested a man walking near the crime scene with a Border Patrol-issued weapon shortly after the shooting. The man, Ernesto Parra Valenzuela, 36, was injured and was taken to a hospital, according to a news release.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earlier this week, the Department of Homeland Security’s Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Administrator Craig Fugate met with several state governors to discuss “emergency preparedness,” according to a press release [1] posted on FEMA’s website. “FEMA is committed to protecting and assisting our states and citizens during disasters,” said Fugate. “By working together and strengthening relationships at the state level, we can continue to build the national emergency response team which includes FEMA, as well as state, local, tribal and federal partners, the private sector and faith-based organizations. The work we are putting in now to build this team will go a long way during the next disaster.” Preparations are now underway for FEMA’s NLE 09. On Sunday, Fugate addressed governors from around the country at the National Governors Association conference in Biloxi, Mississippi, where he “discussed how FEMA can best support the states and their citizens as we prepare for and respond to emergencies and disasters.” FEMA does not specifically detail the “next disaster,” although Fugate had participated “in a video teleconference with governors and officials from over a dozen hurricane prone states on his first day as Administrator.” Last October, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen [2] learned from knowledgeable FEMA sources that the Bush administration had put the final touches on a plan that would see martial law declared in the United States with various scenarios anticipated as triggers. “The triggers include a continuing economic collapse with massive social unrest, bank closures resulting in violence against financial institutions, and another fraudulent presidential election that would result in rioting in major cities and campuses around the country,” explained Madsen. An additional trigger has since emerged – a mass flu pandemic the government promises will occur this autumn. In addition, Army Corps of Engineer sources told the journalist that the assignment of the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) to the Northern Command’s U.S. Army North will augment FEMA and federal law enforcement in the imposition of traffic controls, crowd control, curfews, enhanced border and port security, and neighborhood patrols in the event a national emergency being declared. The BCT was assigned to duties in Iraq before being assigned to the Northern Command. On July 3, Infowars [3] reported on National Guard troops training to engage in combat with “militia” groups. In the exercises, held in Missouri and South Dakota, eight members of a Jefferson City-based battalion acted as a “fictitious militant group” and attacked military checkpoints and convoys. On September 30, the Army Times reported that the BCT would be deployed in the United States under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks. The BCT mission “marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities,” Gina Cavallaro [4] wrote for the Times. The military is prohibited under the Posse Comitatus Act from working with local law enforcement. Madsen reported on a highly-classified document regarding the martial law scenario on April 3, 2008. “WMR has learned from knowledgeable sources within the US financial community that an alarming confidential and limited distribution document is circulating among senior members of Congress and their senior staff members that is warning of a bleak future for the United States if it does not quickly get its financial house in order. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is among those who have reportedly read the document.”

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The Chávez -Obama UN Plot Against Honduras

Cliff Kincaid

 

 

 

Iran Update, 24 Jul 09

 

 

Jim Kouri Go to Jim's Home Page  Law Enforcement Examiner

 

 

Today's weak link in anti-terrorism -- especially protection from unauthorized access to classified material by terrorists or other US enemies -- is the private sector's corporations that develop weapons systems and other vital components of US national security. While most corporations employ security managers with impressive backgrounds in law enforcement, counterintelligence and cyber security, it is the programs themselves that succeed or fail in protecting classified information.

 

 

Border Patrol flags are at half staff to mourn the shooting death of Agent Robert Rosas. His lifelong friend Robert Martinez remembers he felt "disbelief, shock, empty" when he heard the news. "He was like my little brother," Martinez says.

The El Centro man's life was tragically cut short. Thursday night at around 9:15 p.m., Rosas was tracking a group of illegal immigrants near the Campo station when they split into two groups. Soon after, Rosas was shot multiple times, even in the head. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Rosas was just 30 years old. He was a beloved son, brother and husband. Rosas leaves behind two young children -- a one year old girl and two year old boy.

Martinez called Rosas a "dedicated" family man. The friend remembers how "he always talked about how much he loved his family, his siblings, his mother."

Martinez was designated as the family spokesman, and says "they're in shock and denial ... it comes in waves. They remember the good times and there's times when it homes, they break down."

But Rosas died doing what he loved. Becoming a Border Patrol agent was a lifelong dream for the El Centro man. Martinez says ""there was something about Border Patrol that he had a passion for ... he wanted to be a Border Patrol agent since he was young." To advance in his career, Rosas was a Corrections Officer at Centinela State Prison and a Reservist Police Officer with the El Centro Police Department.

Martinez, who is also a Detective with Imperial Police, says many in law enforcement are shocked. "We're all in danger, who ever puts on that uniform, you're in danger. That’s a realization of this job. We go to work in the back of our minds and in the end our families make the ultimate sacrifice."

It's a sacrifice Rosas' family now knows all too well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Israel: Reactor highlights world's failure

By YAAKOV KATZ

The activation of the Bushehr nuclear reactor in Iran demonstrates the international community's failure to stop the Islamic republic and the possibility that it will obtain a nuclear weapon, senior defense officials said Wednesday.

"If they were not stopped until now, it is very possible that Iran will succeed in becoming a nuclear country," one senior defense official told The Jerusalem Post. "Israel, though, is not the only country that needs to be concerned. Iran is also a threat to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and other countries in the Gulf," the official added.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Wednesday that the test run at Bushehr and Iran's claims that it had increased the number of centrifuges enriching uranium to 6,000 constituted an existential threat to Israel.

"Israel's policy is clear: We are not ruling out any option regarding the Iranian nuclear [program] and we recommend that others don't rule out any option either," Barak said in an address at the Interdisciplinary Center, Herzliya, in a hint to US President Barack Obama's administration. "A dialogue with Iran should be defined and limited in time."

"Time is running out. Clear and decisive sanctions against the Iranian regime, alongside readiness to consider necessary actions in case the sanctions don't work, are necessary," Barak said. He added that Russia has had a crucial role in pressuring Iran, and that sanctions without Russia's participation would be meaningless.

The power plant in the southern port city of Bushehr, built with Russian help, is meant to be the first in a number of reactors for an energy program. But the opening of the 1,000-megawatt light water reactor has long been delayed by construction and supply glitches. The United States for a time tried to dissuade Russia from helping the project.

It's unclear when the reactor could be switched on.

The tests, which began 10 days ago, "could take between four and seven months," Iran's nuclear chief, Vice President Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, told reporters at Bushehr. It was not known how long after the tests the reactor could start up.

The plant, which will run on enriched uranium imported from Russia, has worried the West because the spent fuel could be turned into plutonium, a potential material for nuclear warheads.

US concerns over the reactor softened after Iran agreed to return spent fuel to Russia to ensure Teheran does not reprocess it into plutonium. Washington largely dropped its opposition to the project and argued instead that the Russia fuel deal showed that Iran did not need its own domestic uranium enrichment program. Russia's fuel deliveries to Iran began in 2007.

Enrichment is a concern because while low-enriched uranium is used as fuel for a reactor, higher-enriched uranium can be used to build a bomb. In the enrichment process, uranium gas is pumped through a series of centrifuges and spun at supersonic speeds to remove impurities.

Aghazadeh announced that 6,000 centrifuges were now operating at Iran's enrichment facility in Natanz. He said Iran hoped to install more than 50,000 centrifuges there over the next five years. "We are doing what we need to do in Natanz on the basis of a specific time schedule," he told a press conference.

Iran says it intends to use the enriched uranium fuel in its first domestically-built nuclear power plant in Darkhovin, which it wants to start operating in 2016. Aghazadeh said any delay in enrichment would mean a delay in opening Darkhovin.

The tests at Bushehr consist of a computer run of the equipment to ensure there are no malfunctions when enriched uranium fuel is introduced into the reactor. No electricity will be produced during the tests.

In the first stage of the test, technicians have for the past 10 days been loading "virtual fuel" into the reactor. The virtual fuel consists of lead, which imitates the density of enriched uranium, Iranian nuclear spokesman Mohsen Shirazi said.

Once the fuel is fully loaded, "we will check to see how the reactor will operate," said Russian nuclear agency chief Sergei Kiriyenko, who was inspecting the process. "This [test] is one of the major elements of an extensive project," he said.

Kiriyenko said Bushehr witnessed "remarkable progress in recent months" but that work remains to be done to "speed up the launching of the site."

The Russian-Iranian team was "approaching the final stage" before the plant becomes operational, he said.

Aghazadeh, who was accompanying Kiriyenko, said the test was going well and that engineers told him they expected no problems.

"Today was one of the most important days for the Iranian nation," Aghazadeh said. "We are approaching full exploitation of this plant."

In Jerusalem, Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said, "Iranians are showing again that they are making progress in their nuclear race."

"This should be understood as very bad news for the whole of the international community," Palmor said, calling for "immediate and very determined steps in order to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power."

 

 

 

 

 

International campaign to close down Iranian Embassies

An announcement from Homa Arjomand:

Public Announcement ! The International Campaign to close down Iranian Embassies

The world must know that the only way out of political Islam and its global aggression is to support the movement of people of Iran to overthrow the Islamic Republic and defend "freedom, equality, prosperity", for the people of Iran. The People in Iran have spoken. They are demonstrating in the streets, and universities. People in Iran want to overthrow the entire Islamic Republic of Iran, for its terror, imprisonment, gender discriminations, denial of all social and personal freedom and mass execution. They want to get rid of this cruel government for imposing the most inhuman, brutal, misogynist and backward roles on people. Iranian people want universal human and civil rights to become the benchmark.

Never has it been so urgent to stand firm by the people of Iran and proclaim that:

* the Islamic Republic of Iran is directly responsible for terrorizing people globally with its daily crimes against humanity from Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan to Algeria and Palestine, even in the heart of Europe and the North America; from imposing reactionary and anti-human Islamic laws on people, from beheading and mutilations, to planting bombs and mass murder in buses, café and discotheques;

* the Islamic Republic of Iran is directly responsible for sustaining terrorism as a main tool in further deepening the national, ethnic and religious splits in the Middle East and keeping alive this conflict as political capital and source for its power;

* that every one of the leaders of Islamic Republic of Iran, be it so-called reformists such Khatami, Rafsanjani, and Mosavi or hard liners such as Ahmadinezhad, Khamenei are directly responsible for assassinations and executions of over hundred thousand of Iranian activists both in Iran and abroad;

* that defeating the Islamic Republic in Iran is a prerequisite for demolishing political Islam as a movement, aspiring political power in the Middle East. Without the Islamic Republic of Iran, political Islam will become a trivial and insignificant opposition in the Middle East;

* that President Ahmadinejad along with other leaders of Islamic Regime of Iran has violated Articles 9, 10, 11 and 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights;

and therefore demand:

* To close down all Iranian embassies
* To freeze all bank accounts of the leaders of Islamic Republic of Iran
* To expel the Islamic Republic from all the International Agencies
* To trial all the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran in an international court for their crimes against humanity, in particular in Iran

Homa Arjomand
The coordinator of The International Campaign to close down Iranian
Embassies
www.nosharia.com
www.closedowniranianembassies.com

 

 

 

 

 

The mayors of Hoboken, Secaucus and Ridgefield, the Jersey City deputy mayor and council president, two state assemblymen, numerous other public officials and political figures and five rabbis from New York and New Jersey were among 44 individuals charged Thursday in a two-track federal investigation of public corruption and a high-volume, international money laundering conspiracy, Michael Drewniak, public affairs officer for the US Attorney's Office in Newark, NJ.

 

 

 

 

 

U.S. citizen shot dead outside Tijuana home

6:54 p.m. July 21, 2009

TIJUANA – A 37-year-old U.S. citizen was shot to death Sunday night outside his residence in the suburb of Playas de Tijuana, authorities said Tuesday.

The victim was identified as Anibal Beltran Jr. He was a member of the U.S. Army Reserve, the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana said.

Beltran was shot about 9:30 p.m. Sunday in the Jardines section of Playas, according to the Baja California Attorney General's office. The victim had stepped outside his residence to check the source of a power outage, and was shot repeatedly with a 9mm weapon. Police found a dozen spent shell casings nearby.

Family members reached in Chicago and Munster, Ind., declined comment.

 

 

 

 

 

Think Tank Report: Obama Will “Press The Reset Button” On North American Union Agenda

PR campaign to re-brand “Security and Prosperity Partnership” in full swing

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, July 23, 2009

A new report out of left leaning globalist think tank the Brookings Institute confirms an agenda to re-brand the long running effort to merge the US, Canada and Mexico into a Federal superstate akin to the European Union.

The report was highlighted by author Jerome Corsi, who points out that the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America has become much maligned owing to it’s quasi secretive advancement of a North American integration agenda.

“Two top Washington think-tanks have now formally suggested in writing that the Obama administration should rename the SPP as a public relations ploy to advance the North American integration agenda without drawing so much flak from those of us interested in preserving U.S. sovereignty,” Corsi writes in his Red Alert newsletter.

In the Brookings Institute report, titled “Toward a New Frontier: Improving the U.S.-Canadian Border”, Christopher Sands, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, where he specializes on North American economic integration, suggests the Obama administration should continue the agenda of the SPP, but under a new name.

“Despite evidence that NAFTA has been beneficial on balance to American business, workers, and consumers the argument remains vilified by many as an unwarranted move to embrace globalization.” Sands writes.

“President Obama recognized this on the campaign trail in 2008, when he called for the renegotiation of NAFTA’s provisions to correct flaws in the original agreement. As a result, the Obama administration will most likely rename the SPP.” Sands concludes.

The report also suggests focusing more on the integration of the US and Canada as a priority, before bringing Mexico into the equation.

Sands suggests the following three courses of action:

1. “President Obama should borrow from the lexicon of the European Union and announce that the United States will proceed in negotiations with its two neighbors ‘at two speeds,’ moving ahead more quickly where possible with its developed neighbor Canada, and allowing Mexico to proceed more slowly as necessary.”

2. “The Obama administration is likely to want to ‘press the reset button’ on the SPP, an unpopular though valuable initiative that has improved policy coordination between the United States and its neighbors.”

3. “The SPP must be re-branded to win any kind of consensus support. The Obama administration recognizes this, and could take a few tactical steps to make the SPP (or its eventual successor) work better and win broader support.”

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Sands defines his vision of the re-branded SPP as an effort “to build a truly ‘new frontier’ on the northern border,” adding that “President Obama’s community organizing experience suits him well for the task ahead.”

Sands is deeply entrenched in the integration agenda, being a member of the Advisory Committee to the U.S. Section of The North American Competitiveness Council (NACC), organized by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to consult with U.S. government officials in negotiations under the SPP.

The NACC is essentially an elite advisory board comprised of 30 senior private sector representatives of North American corporations that were selected by the American, Canadian and Mexican governments at the June 2006 trilateral meeting in Cancun, Mexico.

Last year, one month prior to the SPP summit in April, documents were uncovered relating how the NACC was formed as part of a public relations overhaul to counter critics of the SPP.

The documents detailed how, through the NACC, corporate representatives were urged to “humanize” North American integration, promote NAFTA success stories to employees and unions and evolve the harmonization agenda “without fueling protectionism”.

The move was seemingly a response to the continued exposition of the integration agenda, which led to representatives within Congress petitioning the government on the secretiveness of the SPP and multiple states introducing resolutions calling on their federal representatives to halt work on the so called “North American Union”.

Earlier this week we revealed that president Obama is scheduled to attend this year’s SPP meeting in Mexico, slated as the “North American Leader’s Summit”.

“The key to understanding what is going on with the SPP under the Obama administration is the realization that globalists always proceed under a stealth agenda,” Jerome Corsi comments.

“Globalists typically mask their real plans to produce regional governments out of trade agreements by changing names and designing different structures when initial attempts to destroy nation-states are exposed and stalled by citizens who are still patriotic enough to cherish what remains left of their national sovereignty.”

Related: Nafta Superhighway Returns From The Dead

 

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White House flip-flop: Ok, ok, we’ll tell you which health execs we met